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Recessing Detectable warning panels
Jon Kaplan, VT Agency of Transportation, jon.kaplan@state.vt.us
04/14/2008
We have a municipality that is asking whether it would be OK to recess the
entire detectable warning panel such that the top of the domes is level with
the surrounding sidewalk ramp. This will ease snow plowing because the plow
will ride right over the panel. I worry about snow packing into the panel
area. I also worry about the lip that will exist around the perimeter of the
panel. I also would think that the domes are less detectable if they are even
with the surrounding sidewalk ramp.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Pete Kemp, WisDOT
04/14/2008
Problems will occur with icing on the ramp and sediment collection in the
recess area. You may also see that installers may place the fields to deep and
you would exceed the allowable vertical clearance in the ADA, which presents
its own set of problems. I would give them guidance to keep the installation
as specified and choose a product that would be resistant to snow removal
practices.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Ropbert Burns, City of Cedar Rapids
07/18/2008
It seems that most people assume that the DW panels are set on a flat surface.
While in some cases this is true the vast majority are set on a slope so that
icing and trapped sediment are less of an issue than it is being made out.
Icing has alwys been an issue and will always be an issue. The domes are still
raised and are still felt underfoot as intended. Resistant to snow removal
means the domes will remain after plowing or after the snow blower goes over
it. Of course this only removes the snow as deep as the blade can reach, which
is the TOP of the domes.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Dennis Cannon, Access Board, cannon@access-board.gov
04/14/2008
Recessing the detectable warning would likely defeat its purpose, as well as
trapping sediment, icing, etc. Almost as bad is the idea of using snow plows
to clear curb ramp or other pedestrian facilities. Several snow states and
cities use small vehicles like street sweepers with a rotating heavy bristle
brush. It works well on detectable warnings and won't get caught on expansion
joints or sidewalk segments displaced by freeze-thaw heave.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
04/15/2008
I agree with Pete and Dennis that there would be problems with keeping a
recessed panel from simply filling up with ice, snow and debris, which would
make them non-existant for all practical purposes. And I agree with you that
recessing may make the domes less detectable.

However, I don't see anyone saying that a recessed panel would be non-compliant
as such. I raise the point because we see a lot of people saying "the regs
don't say I can't do it, so I will." And I don't see anything that directly or
indirectly prohibits the action you asked about. Others are going to have this
idea, too.

My thought was that the phrase "raised truncated domes" at least implies that
domes must be higher than the adjoining surface, but that seems like a thin
reed to cling to.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Robert Burns, City of Cedar Rapids
04/18/2008
What we attempt to do, usually with some degree of success, is to have the top
portion of the DW panel set so that the Truncated dome is level with the walk
surface, and at the bottom ( closest to the street) we have the panel flush
with the walk surface, which means that the domes are slightly higher than the
walk. This should help with snow removal when the snow is pushed towards the
street, of course this is assuming most snow removal is done on a property by
property basis.

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Ronnie, Tile Tech Pavers, sales@paversetc.com
06/13/2008
You can visit our site for PDF file of the full ADA Accessibility Guidelines @
www.tiletechpavers.com/DetectablePavers.html

Tile Tech Pavers is the leading manufacturer in precast Detectable Warning
Pavers & ADA Truncated Dome Pavers & Tiles meeting all ADAAG (4.29)
requirements. Our pavers are available nationally and are manufactured in a 700
ton hydraulic press resulting in a product that is 8,000 to 10,000 psi, (55
MPa) & less than 1% loss of weigh in Freeze Thaw conditions. These precast
Detectable Warning Pavers & ADA Truncated Dome Pavers come in 12"x 12" x 2" &
12"x 12" x 1" with a dome base diameter of 0.90" & a dome top diameter of 0.45"
with dome spacing form center to center at 2.35". They are also available in
four standard colors, Charcoal, Yellow, Natural & Red, custom colors are also
available. Our standard colors provide the flexibility of having a 70% contrast
to the adjacent area as suggested in the ADAAG (A4.29.2). This general formula
appears to provide enough of a contrast to distinguish the walking surface of
the curb ramp from the roadway surface. Our pavers are available nationally &
are very economical especially for cities & government projects. Pricing for
our Detectable Warning Pavers & ADA Truncated Dome Tiles varies between $6.00 –
$8.00 per sqft. We are also approved by many states DOT & are on their list of
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You can also see our product @ www.tiletechpavers.com/DetectablePavers.html

Re: Recessing Detectable warning panels
Karen "KC" Hemry, Advsnced Surface Systems, kchemry@hotmail.com
07/17/2008
While there are not many standards that are set doe DW's the height of the
domes above the pavement is one. If the panel is recessed thant hte ADA
requirement for the height of the dome would not be met




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